Opening Asia for Russia

28.05.2021 125 просмотров

Mikhail Yemelyanov, Executive Director of ANO "Center for the Development and Popularization of the Go Game and Strategy", a member of the Presidium of the Russian Go Federation, is talking to the General Director of the Joint Stock Company "Rosgeologiya" Sergey Nikolayevich Gorkov.

Mikhail Emelyanov: Sergey, hello. Today we have a very interesting geological set of mammoth and woolly rhinoceros. Maybe we will put a couple of stones with you. I read in your interview that two things help you in life. This is Jiu-Jitsu and Go. Perhaps jiu-jitsu is about taking a punch, and Go is about developing strategic thinking?

Sergey Gorkov: Good afternoon. The question is really not idle, because some time ago I thought about what allows me to be successful in life and realize the tasks that are assigned to me, and I made such a conclusion in one of the articles, in my opinion, in Forbes that really helped me two things. One of them is the martial art of jiu-jitsu. There, thank God, there is no need to take a hit - there you need to hold your neck and be able to choke well and perform painful techniques. Jiu-jitsu is a native of China, which later became the main self-defense system of Japanese samurai. And at the same time, Go came to Japan and became a widespread, traditional, growing game. It, of course, teaches to be one on one with the problem. That is, when you go out on the tatami, you don’t have the opportunity to slip, you are forced all the time not only to work out one position, you are forced to work out all the positions. Your defeat is a mistake. Victory is only your victory, and defeat is only your defeat.


teaches sustainable positioning of oneself in life and achievement of the result of focus. But, of course, the development of mental abilities is also very important, because only physical development, probably, does not allow us to solve the tasks we face. It often seems that at work you are already busy with production problems all the time, you need to make decisions all the time and you don’t need to develop your mind. But I think that this is wrong, because new, new and new tasks arise all the time, and if you do not develop the mind, which is also a muscle, then it becomes focused on one type of tasks and slowly atrophies. And Go is the kind of game that allows, in its multifactorial, multicombination nature, to always be in a state of brain development. So jiu-jitsu, for its part, helps me to be resilient, and Go helps me apply different ways of thinking to different tasks that arise every day, every month, every week.


Therefore, such adaptability In sports. We must add more, perhaps, the spirit. I think Go is about the mind, and the spirit is still more about faith and about a little bit other aspects. But the fact that Go basically creates such a multifactorial nature and allows you to always think about several tasks at the same time and solve one task while solving several subtasks, it seems to me that this is a very important combination of two similar and dissimilar things that arose in China approximately in one and the same time and for some reason assimilated in Japan, and common roots are very visible. Judo came out of jiu-jitsu, that is, judo and Go came out of this martial art, which also became a fairly traditional game for both politicians and businessmen in Japan - starting from the Middle Ages and reaching the greatest progress in the 20th century, when it became, I would even say , a national treasure, or something.


 Mikhail Emelyanov: In your book you spoke about a book loved by many, which is dedicated to solving unsolvable problems, that there is such a modernist idea as a multimodal strategy, and in Go we see many examples of such multidimensionality, when we work on many layers with one touch. Are you already using some Go stratagems in modern business strategies? And what should these modern business strategies be like, in your opinion? 

Sergey Gorkov: You are asking the absolutely right question, because the world is developing very rapidly , dynamic and most importantly uncertain and unpredictable, and creative thinking is always required on the one hand, and on the other hand, what you say is the right approach. I tried to form this approach, in the book it is called "multimodality". This means that you cannot think of only one path. Previously and still in business schools they teach only two directions when choosing strategic paths. There is a strategic path: the best scenario and the worst scenario. In fact, I have made 4 strategies in my life, including for large companies. I can say that not a single strategy has ever been implemented exactly, exactly. No matter what you write in the strategy, you will always absolutely not fall into this vector, you will still be better or worse, somewhere in the middle. That is, you never determine where you will be. Why? Because there was no multimodality. The Chinese, I believe, came up with multimodality and laid it in Go. This assumes that every action you take affects the entire board, or the overall strategy of the company, or the situation in the company.  Multimodality, from my point of view, is needed now for the strategy of any company: large, small, medium - any, and in general Go is based on this, because Go is multimodal. 

What is interesting about Go if do you work in multiple markets? If you have one market, then in this case you can play chess, because you have a competitor, you have a field, it is outlined, everything is transparent and simple. In terms of Go, you can have multiple markets. You can have one corner, a second corner, a third corner, a fourth, you can have a center, you can have a local situation somewhere else. Somewhere there may be a crisis, somewhere there may be a situation where you are ready to give in. Therefore, if you have multifactoriality, or you work in several markets at once, and these markets are in different situations, you definitely need to play Go, because no other game will definitely help you, well, including Monopoly.

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Mikhail Emelyanov: Yes, I agree with you, and this idea that a strategy is, conditionally, a set of cubes that you can collect in a variety of combinations and combinations, it is very similar to Go.  

Sergey Gorkov: It is important for us that this event will take place in Russia for the first time. And from my point of view, the fact that this is happening in Vladivostok is also a very important signal that the Vladivostok region and the Far East are beginning to develop actively. And of course, in order to be incorporated into the understanding of how the Far East and Southeast Asia work, it is important to know the laws of these countries. It seems to me that the game of Go just gives an understanding of how countries think, interact with each other, how they carry out their political, economic and social decisions. Because we remember from history how the same Mao Zedong, who carried out the so-called "Northern campaign", which brought the Chinese Communist Party to power - and Mao Zedong knew how to play Go, played well - was built entirely on the principles of Go. And Kissinger, in his book on China, also writes the phrase that in order to understand China, one must learn to play Go. To be honest, when I met him and he told me this phrase, then I became interested in Go, because then I worked at Sberbank and my task was to find an understanding of what we would do in China.

Of course, I had interesting partners, interesting mentors who told me about China, since I had no experience of working with the Republic of China at that time. And this advice from Henry Kissinger helped me - then I got carried away and started playing this game. I am grateful to the Federation for passing the fifth cup, which, it seems to me, attracted great attention not only from our international guests, but, most importantly, our Russian companies, just Russian participants, because before that the game of Go in Russia, which came, probably , years in the 60s of the XX century, it is still in our country in a somewhat limited development, I would say. The limitations are clear, but it seems to me that for Yakutia, for the Far East, for Siberia as a whole, understanding the region is very important, and in order to comprehend, it is important to start playing Go. 


I am very glad that this whole regions are joining, my point is that the game of Go should definitely be included in the compulsory educational program, for example, for company executives. Then, it seems to me, they will look differently at the eastern market, and for us, by the way, it is China that is the largest economic partner, more than 100 billion dollars of trade between Russia and China. So it is definitely necessary to take into account the peculiarities of the thinking of this largest mega-region.

Mikhail Emelyanov: I have more of an invitation to you than a question. We plan to hold a business program at the World Championship. Together with you, I hope we will prepare and implement it. We want to hold a big match between politicians and businessmen. I want to see you among the participants of this match, so that you will not only act as a speaker there, talking about the strategy, but also set stones with our partners from China, Japan and Korea, who will come to visit us.

Sergey Gorkov: Thank you very much, I accept the invitation. I hope that the opponents will be worthy. If they win, then I will lose with dignity.




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